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lorazcyk · Nov 15, 2011, 03:08 AM // 03:08

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Once again the only argument people have for this is that they don't want to reroll a new character and get their titles again.

Look. Dude. My boyfriend plays maybe once a month, if that. He loves guildwars, but he's busy. That's the only game he plays. He's getting his titles on his ranger. But he won't even be done by the time GW2 rolls around.
Because he must play just the ranger, to max his titles, his other characters go unused. But if he's able to change Ranger to another profession, then maybe he would be able to play something new, for a change.

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It takes no time at all to push a character through a campaign so just make a new character and don't bother with meaningless titles that don't benefit you at all. Get the your cartograph/consumable/vanquisher/protector/gaurdian titles on one character and just push your other characters to where you want them.

Not everyone has the time to "push". Their in game time is used for regular play. They don't have the luxury of rushing through the titles.
What's so difficult to understand here? If we keep switching characters, WE WILL NEVER MAX OUR TITLES!

It's like if you're parents living below the poverty line. If you have one or two children, maybe, just maybe, you'll be able to save enough money so they can go to college. But six children? Not likely.

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p.s. I NEVER WANT TO SEE A PARAGON WITH AN LDOA TITLE RUNNING AROUND!!!

Why not? Maybe your character met a lovely woman (or man) that inspired him/her so much, s/he decided to change professions (Keiran Thackeray).

If the option to pay for a profession change was available to me back in 2006, I would have sooo changed my Elementalist to a Mesmer. I started out as an Elementalist, but from start to finish, I always played with Mesmer skills (Backfire, Empathy, interrupts, all that sexy stuff). So I was trained a Mesmer!

Don't tell me I should have made a Mesmer instead.... back then they looked like there's dung under their nose!.. and I didn't know any better

cormac ap dunn · Nov 15, 2011, 03:49 AM // 03:49

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Originally Posted by lorazcyk

Look. Dude. My boyfriend plays maybe once a month, if that. He loves guildwars, but he's busy. That's the only game he plays. He's getting his titles on his ranger. But he won't even be done by the time GW2 rolls around.
Because he must play just the ranger, to max his titles, his other characters go unused. But if he's able to change Ranger to another profession, then maybe he would be able to play something new, for a change.

Not everyone has the time to "push". Their in game time is used for regular play. They don't have the luxury of rushing through the titles.
What's so difficult to understand here? If we keep switching characters, WE WILL NEVER MAX OUR TITLES!

It's like if you're parents living below the poverty line. If you have one or two children, maybe, just maybe, you'll be able to save enough money so they can go to college. But six children? Not likely.

Why not? Maybe your character met a lovely woman (or man) that inspired him/her so much, s/he decided to change professions (Keiran Thackeray).

If the option to pay for a profession change was available to me back in 2006, I would have sooo changed my Elementalist to a Mesmer. I started out as an Elementalist, but from start to finish, I always played with Mesmer skills (Backfire, Empathy, interrupts, all that sexy stuff). So I was trained a Mesmer!

Don't tell me I should have made a Mesmer instead.... back then they looked like there's dung under their nose!.. and I didn't know any better

guess it's rather your own fault you lacked the drive to play that class, does this mean you should be allowed to pay for an advantage that others actually put the time, effort, and patience into. What is being requested is that the lazy be allowed to pay for things that give a distinct advantage in the game. The "grindy" titles can also impart an advantage to the player via pve only skills. Your HoM points are account wide, do you really think because you are bored or busy that you are entitled to a game breaking advantage simply because you don't feel like playing? Great, next lets all have cash shop leveling too! That's the same direction right? Say $9.99 a level? Perhaps we can buy location unlock packs too... Wouldn't that be awesome? Farming location unlock packs!!!! Ooooooh how about we just use real world money to buy in game gold... I mean who can be bothered to earn cash? /end sarcasm... Get real, this is the lazy way to do what the rest of us took time to do. As was stated before pve is easy. Stop being lazy/bored/uneducated to builds/too lazy to research and do what we all have done.

il Priscilla il · Nov 15, 2011, 03:57 AM // 03:57

What game breaking advantages...... what about if I want my already gwamm to be a mo instead of war?

cormac ap dunn · Nov 15, 2011, 04:21 AM // 04:21

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Originally Posted by il Priscilla il

What game breaking advantages...... what about if I want my already gwamm to be a mo instead of war?

Apparently you don't get that you chose a profession in the game, that profession is linked to armor, energy, health, skills. Want a monk? Make a monk. Want gwamm? Earn it like everyone else has. This self entitlement thing is getting out of control. You earned it, its already a character you invested time in, so if you are truly that bored that you feel another class would be better, stop playing the class you got the titles maxed on, roll a new one, and play the game like the rest of the population. As far as what game breaking advantages, read above. Title linked skills aren't all linked to titles that aren't account wide (Lux/Kurz as an example) but those that are impart a buff to the class you are on when you earn them. I think for the last time it should be noted that there is almost no excuse a player cannot make a character, level it quickly, faceroll PvE with 7 hero teams, earn money, earn titles and max them in VERY little time. If this still seems difficult use this , this, and most importantly THIS

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Showtime · Nov 15, 2011, 04:31 AM // 04:31

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

guess it's rather your own fault you lacked the drive to play that class, does this mean you should be allowed to pay for an advantage that others actually put the time, effort, and patience into. What is being requested is that the lazy be allowed to pay for things that give a distinct advantage in the game. The "grindy" titles can also impart an advantage to the player via pve only skills. Your HoM points are account wide, do you really think because you are bored or busy that you are entitled to a game breaking advantage simply because you don't feel like playing? Great, next lets all have cash shop leveling too! That's the same direction right? Say $9.99 a level? Perhaps we can buy location unlock packs too... Wouldn't that be awesome? Farming location unlock packs!!!! Ooooooh how about we just use real world money to buy in game gold... I mean who can be bothered to earn cash? /end sarcasm... Get real, this is the lazy way to do what the rest of us took time to do. As was stated before pve is easy. Stop being lazy/bored/uneducated to builds/too lazy to research and do what we all have done.

You seem equate titles with effort/achievement.

Most of us equate titles with grind, no real skill involved, too much time on your hands and/or that you bought them... OR all of the above.

I'm also gwamm, and trust me, it's nothing special. It took a stupid amount of time and wasn't fun for the most part. It felt unnatural doing missions over and over again to fill the dozen books i had on me each time. It was dumb scraping the edge of maps and having to research why it wouldn't snap when I could see the edges. Explaining where to go and what to do with wurms for the 300th time was lame.

I hope they make it super easy from here on out cuz I don't like people grinding at something til it makes them unhappy with the game. I was right about the alcohol and I know I'm right about the other bs excessive grind.

Let them pay to change primary professions OR fix it so it doesn't take so long to get new toons up to speed.

Whatever you think, if arenanet figures out that making titles/gwamm/hom easier will sell more gw2s, that's what they will do. It probably would help get people into gw 2.

cormac ap dunn · Nov 15, 2011, 04:34 AM // 04:34

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Originally Posted by Showtime

You seem equate titles with effort/achievement.

Most of us equate titles with grind, no real skill involved, too much time on your hands and/or that you bought them... OR all of the above.

I'm also gwamm, and trust me, it's nothing special. It took a stupid amount of time and wasn't fun for the most part. It felt unnatural doing missions over and over again to fill the dozen books i had on me each time. It was dumb scraping the edge of maps and having to research why it wouldn't snap when I could see the edges. Explaining where to go and what to do with wurms for the 300th time was lame.

I hope they make it super easy from here on out cuz I don't like people grinding at something til it makes them unhappy with the game. I was right about the alcohol and I know I'm right about the other bs excessive grind.

Let them pay to change primary professions OR fix it so it doesn't take so long to get new toons up to speed.

Whatever you think, if arenanet figures out that making titles/gwamm/hom easier will sell more gw2s, that's what they will do. It probably would help get people into gw 2.

I have no problem with making the grind easier, but as to just paying to change a profession? Its a bit beyond silly. As has also been stated many times this thread isn't about the titles being made easier, its about buying your way into something out of boredom/laziness/whatever.

Dewshine Wildclaw · Nov 15, 2011, 10:33 AM // 10:33

I honestly don't get that people keep talking about grindy titles, and that they are no fun at all. If you don't have fun getting the titles you're doing it wrong imo.
I had fun most of the time getting my gwamm, if I got too bored working on a title I stopped untill it felt good again. Sure it is no big achievement, Im far from a leet player, I just waste time in gw to have fun, so never truly learned to be good.

But titles do NOT have to be a pain, they do NOT have to be boring... it depends on how YOU aproach them.
I do however think it is fair to say you don't want to do it one more time... I know I wont...

There have been way worse suggestions than this one, this would not really ruin anything for anyone as I see it. Is it likely it'll ever happen? Probably not.
I kinda remain neutral on this one.

Mintha Syl · Nov 15, 2011, 11:53 AM // 11:53

I really really really can't get people complaining about "titles are boring, grindy, take too much time and I have no time, I'm not going to do them on a second char so can't roll a second char"...did I lose an update which said that now titles are compulsory and you must have them if you wanna play and if else you'll be thrown in jail?Really? As someone said titles were introduced cause some wanted to spend their time "grinding" for them, or wanted an achievement for what they did already. That doesn't mean the rest, the ones who find title-hunting something that makes you sick, have to do them. If you fall in the second category but are dying to have titles, than you're doing something wrong. If you wanted that for your HoM, I see no reason to do that on a second class, as it's account wide.
Left apart all the difficulties I could see a primary change involving, as your primary is all that defines your char. And no, don't name Razah and Keiran, they're heroes, for heroes class is just a letter near the name and little bit more.

il Priscilla il · Nov 15, 2011, 01:07 PM // 13:07

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

Apparently you don't get that you chose a profession in the game, that profession is linked to armor, energy, health, skills. Want a monk? Make a monk. Want gwamm? Earn it like everyone else has. This self entitlement thing is getting out of control. You earned it, its already a character you invested time in, so if you are truly that bored that you feel another class would be better, stop playing the class you got the titles maxed on, roll a new one, and play the game like the rest of the population. As far as what game breaking advantages, read above. Title linked skills aren't all linked to titles that aren't account wide (Lux/Kurz as an example) but those that are impart a buff to the class you are on when you earn them. I think for the last time it should be noted that there is almost no excuse a player cannot make a character, level it quickly, faceroll PvE with 7 hero teams, earn money, earn titles and max them in VERY little time. If this still seems difficult use this , this, and most importantly THIS

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Just like in the bonus missions, armor health energy and the like can all be changed EXTREMELY easily. Want gwamm? I already have it.... I could do without wasting my time doing cartographer/vanq/prot/guard on every single character i make...... thats not how I want to play. I dont feel entitled to anything, assuming that only makes you look foolish and rash, since for one its only a suggestion to an already dead game, and acting like this single thing would break everything ever that ever could have or did exist in gw is so asinine I almost laughed. So you think title linked PvE only skills are game breaking.... but not 7h teams.... GOTCHA. I mean its totally definitely not ever possible to simply remove the PvE / Title skills, and have you quest for them again. NOPE THATS IMPOSSIBLE....

Also, I dont feel another class would be better, I simply would like to play Something different or perhaps I would like my character to BE something different for RP purposes, despite having 4 gwamm already. Like you say, it's not like its a challenge to achieve.

Also to the last comment you made, not every one plays this game for the rush of maxing everything ever in one day. I'd just like to play the game I have been playing for 6+years and still enjoy it, this (while only a suggestion) IS a feasible way for me to enjoy this game even more. GET.OVER.YOURSELF.

Not A Standard Name · Nov 15, 2011, 03:02 PM // 15:02

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Originally Posted by Mintha Syl

I really really really can't get people complaining about "titles are boring, grindy, take too much time and I have no time, I'm not going to do them on a second char so can't roll a second char"...did I lose an update which said that now titles are compulsory and you must have them if you wanna play and if else you'll be thrown in jail?Really? As someone said titles were introduced cause some wanted to spend their time "grinding" for them, or wanted an achievement for what they did already. That doesn't mean the rest, the ones who find title-hunting something that makes you sick, have to do them. If you fall in the second category but are dying to have titles, than you're doing something wrong. If you wanted that for your HoM, I see no reason to do that on a second class, as it's account wide.
Left apart all the difficulties I could see a primary change involving, as your primary is all that defines your char. And no, don't name Razah and Keiran, they're heroes, for heroes class is just a letter near the name and little bit more.

Ever heard of PvE-only skills?

MithranArkanere · Nov 15, 2011, 04:25 PM // 16:25

The thing is, the only real use for titles in unlocking things for the HoM and PvE skills.
The HoM is already account-wide, so, once you get a title in a character, it doesn't matter if you don't have it in another character.
And PvE-skills were changed so you don't need a high rank in titles for them to be useful.

You can just play with other characters, and not bother to focus in titles you already had.

I wouldn't mind if all titles were account-wide, though. Most achievements and titles are account-wide in most games, and no one complains.

BettaDenU · Nov 15, 2011, 05:25 PM // 17:25

Before everyone starts shouting again I don't want this thread to become closed so lets keep it on the subject of the idea itself because half of the above replies have nothing to do whatsoever with this idea and cannot be linked to it either.

If you think this will damage the game in any way possible then give a constructive response, if you can't think of anything that will have a negative impact on you or other players with this idea implemented into the game and the online store then I will consider that as a /signed.

Laraja · Nov 15, 2011, 06:34 PM // 18:34

/signed

Not because I'll ever use it, but because if people want to change a primary profession on their favorite toon and are willing to pay money, let them. It's no skin off my ass. Paragon running around with LDoA? Why does that hurt my game play? The argument about someone changing their profession to something they don't know how to play? Pretty unlikely. The reason they're changing is probably because they probably know how to play that and would like to do it on their favorite toon.

Titles? Who cares? Really. I'm mean REALLY. Who the %$#^ cares? At one point the player worked for it, so for pity's sake let them display it if they want.

JONO51 · Nov 15, 2011, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

guess it's rather your own fault you lacked the drive to play that class, does this mean you should be allowed to pay for an advantage that others actually put the time, effort, and patience into. What is being requested is that the lazy be allowed to pay for things that give a distinct advantage in the game.

What advantage?
You have 1 GWAMM.
You change primary.
You still have 1 GWAMM.
You haven't paid to buy a second.
You've already put the time in to max all the titles.
Profession specific differences like AL make next to no difference in the time/effort to get these titles, especially considering any class can run SoS and discord w/ mesmers and get all these with ease.

After all, this game was sold on the premise of no grind. All this means is you can swap class, retain all the titles so you aren't going to have to grind for maximum efficiency. It similar in concept to the skill unlock packs. You can grind all the balth/gold for skills or you can pay a fee and skip it. Here, you can make a new character and grind for all the pve titles, or pay a fee and convert your existing class to a new one. No one is asking to buy titles. No one is asking to spawn a second character with maxed titles. All people want is to change an existing character into a different class.

lorazcyk · Nov 15, 2011, 11:14 PM // 23:14

I'd like to know what advantage too...
All these people just keep talking in circles.
The sky is blue because the sky is blue because the sky is blue. Oh, because I say the sky is blue.

cormac ap dunn · Nov 16, 2011, 12:10 AM // 00:10

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Originally Posted by JONO51

What advantage?
You have 1 GWAMM.
You change primary.
You still have 1 GWAMM.
You haven't paid to buy a second.
You've already put the time in to max all the titles.

Major advantage being TIME. You think maybe getting rid of all primary professions sounds like a good idea? I mean after all, if you put the time in, you should be allowed to have your character be anything you like, whenever you like... Whats the point of having classes if they are just something easily thrown away? The point is balance in game play. you pay, you get the advantage of taking something that, lets face it, is easier done on other classes (SoS rit can face roll anything in most situations, If i run a monk in PvP I'll be hard pressed to NOT get my title faster...) and making it a set accomplishment on a class that might otherwise find it harder (Paras might as well just hang it up aside from Imba according to most other players).

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Profession specific differences like AL make next to no difference in the time/effort to get these titles, especially considering any class can run SoS and discord w/ mesmers and get all these with ease.

My point exactly... There is NO reason you can't title on any character you make. Kinda makes the "grind" argument a bit invalid.

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After all, this game was sold on the premise of no grind. All this means is you can swap class, retain all the titles so you aren't going to have to grind for maximum efficiency. It similar in concept to the skill unlock packs. You can grind all the balth/gold for skills or you can pay a fee and skip it. Here, you can make a new character and grind for all the pve titles, or pay a fee and convert your existing class to a new one. No one is asking to buy titles. No one is asking to spawn a second character with maxed titles. All people want is to change an existing character into a different class.

Thats rather what you are asking, that all the equipment, titles, and effort put into one class be transformed into a totally different class. You have more then one slot available... Why do you think that is? So you can just reroll at will on one character because you achieved something on it? Just ask directly for what you really want here, Account-wide titles... Dancing around the topic is just silly, and this is a far cry from an effective solution.

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Originally Posted by lorazcyk

I'd like to know what advantage too...
All these people just keep talking in circles.
The sky is blue because the sky is blue because the sky is blue. Oh, because I say the sky is blue.

The funny thing is if you read it all again people list off the reasons... It always amuses me when people refuse to see something then digress to others talking in circles.

Plutoman · Nov 16, 2011, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

Major advantage being TIME. You think maybe getting rid of all primary professions sounds like a good idea?

This isn't getting rid of primary professions.. It would require payment, if people went and on every whim changed primary like they would secondaries, ANet would then be billionaires. That wouldn't happen.

Anyways, it's a harmless change. I may or may not enjoy it, but I see the benefits. I'm on my ele and I've played thousands of hours, but I don't want to repeat the grind of nightfall and other areas or spend tons of gold on skillbooks to get a mesmer or assassin in the DoA. I'd also like to be able to work on the same titles if I switched characters, and not have partial progress in one but not another.

There's no harm in it, titles are fine anyways. The only prestige is what you make of them. Obviously, cormac, the prestige of a title is rather profound to you, so it matters more. To a lot of us, the prestige is not all that great, thus we would enjoy the benefit of being able to pay and keep our character's progress, keep our name, but not have to grind through the game over and over again just to finally get to stuff we enjoy.

il Priscilla il · Nov 16, 2011, 02:42 AM // 02:42

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

Major advantage being TIME. You think maybe getting rid of all primary professions sounds like a good idea? I mean after all, if you put the time in, you should be allowed to have your character be anything you like, whenever you like... Whats the point of having classes if they are just something easily thrown away? The point is balance in game play. you pay, you get the advantage of taking something that, lets face it, is easier done on other classes (SoS rit can face roll anything in most situations, If i run a monk in PvP I'll be hard pressed to NOT get my title faster...) and making it a set accomplishment on a class that might otherwise find it harder (Paras might as well just hang it up aside from Imba according to most other players).

My point exactly... There is NO reason you can't title on any character you make. Kinda makes the "grind" argument a bit invalid.

Thats rather what you are asking, that all the equipment, titles, and effort put into one class be transformed into a totally different class. You have more then one slot available... Why do you think that is? So you can just reroll at will on one character because you achieved something on it? Just ask directly for what you really want here, Account-wide titles... Dancing around the topic is just silly, and this is a far cry from an effective solution.

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The funny thing is if you read it all again people list off the reasons... It always amuses me when people refuse to see something then digress to others talking in circles.

Mentioning PvP where u can simply create a lvl 20 with everything unlocked is void.
As with that, you would only have the skills unlocked that u already have taking a pve there, LIKE IT IS ALREADY.
the addition of 7h teams has already made ALL PVE mind numbingly easy, changing the PC main prof will have absolutely ZERO affect on that, in ALL areas of PVE.

It's not about making titles account wide. or about getting multiple gwamm characters. It's about EXTENDING the gameplay of A character that you have put multitudes of hours into even further.

If I wanted to make a farming character, I would simply make one, buy the tomes and use it, that's not what I'm talking about or most other people in the thread.

All you are doing is straw manning the thread and derailing it from the things it is asking / commenting on.

lorazcyk · Nov 16, 2011, 02:56 AM // 02:56

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The funny thing is if you read it all again people list off the reasons

Well, you can say "rainy weather sucks so bad!!!", and I ask "Why?", you say "It sucks!!!!" So I ask... "But why does it suck?"... and you say "because I don't like it!".... that's called going in circles. You're not answering my question!

So, let me show you what I mean.

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

Major advantage being TIME.

How is it a bad thing? Why is it a bad thing? Please explain.

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You think maybe getting rid of all primary professions sounds like a good idea
I mean after all, if you put the time in, you should be allowed to have your character be anything you like, whenever you like...
Whats the point of having classes if they are just something easily thrown away?

This is not relevant. Not everyone will pay to change their profession. It will not be MANDATORY. You can have as many professions as you have character-slots.

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The point is balance in game play. you pay, you get the advantage of taking something that, lets face it, is easier done on other classes (SoS rit can face roll anything in most situations

And if I change to a SoS Rit.... this hurts you.... HOW?
What about those who don't have factions? Should they complain they can't faceroll everything because they don't have a Rit? Ofcourse not, they could simply buy the campaign.
People who don't own NF or EotN are missing out on heroes. Should they cry that they have to play with henchies? No, go and buy the campaign.

Even so, none of this is even relevant to changing your primary profession. Until you explain how someone saving time on re-rolling a character, and re-doing their titles, is a bad thing.

Some people say there won't be any more favor. But keep in mind, those who have lots of titles almost finished will not be stupid enough to re-roll their character anyway! And if they did? Then those titles they were working on are now out the window, and they will have to start over... slowing down titles, slowing down favor.

cormac ap dunn · Nov 16, 2011, 03:42 AM // 03:42

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Well, you can say "rainy weather sucks so bad!!!", and I ask "Why?", you say "It sucks!!!!" So I ask... "But why does it suck?"... and you say "because I don't like it!".... that's called going in circles. You're not answering my question!

So, let me show you what I mean.

How is it a bad thing? Why is it a bad thing? Please explain.

This is not relevant. Not everyone will pay to change their profession. It will not be MANDATORY. You can have as many professions as you have character-slots.

And if I change to a SoS Rit.... this hurts you.... HOW?
What about those who don't have factions? Should they complain they can't faceroll everything because they don't have a Rit? Ofcourse not, they could simply buy the campaign.
People who don't own NF or EotN are missing out on heroes. Should they cry that they have to play with henchies? No, go and buy the campaign.

Even so, none of this is even relevant to changing your primary profession. Until you explain how someone saving time on re-rolling a character, and re-doing their titles, is a bad thing.

Some people say there won't be any more favor. But keep in mind, those who have lots of titles almost finished will not be stupid enough to re-roll their character anyway! And if they did? Then those titles they were working on are now out the window, and they will have to start over... slowing down titles, slowing down favor.

What more explanation do you need? You are asking for a paid advantage over players who do not pay. Whats the point? Titles all calculate into the HoM account-wide so the "I'll never get it all before GW2" argument is dead. The titles that are exclusive to your character play a distinctive roll in certain skills linked to them. Those same titles have a baring on the story line as well... Your characters equipment, skills, skill points, appearance are already tied to that profession. Asking for a complete change not only takes away from the storyline, but also defeats the point of multiple slots. Most everyone making the argument for this are stating that they don't want to spend the time doing all of this on multiple characters... they then state that PvE is easy... they state that things are too grindy... You do realize we all asked for that grind right? that if it were easy we would bitch that there was no content... That if it took less effort we would look at these things as a standard , not an achievement. I can already see the groups of elitists asking people who don't have say, a Rit with maxed title in DoA to reroll a class they did have the title on so as to make the run convenient. Titles like LDoA which have already been made scores easier will now be a joke, as the number of Rits, Paras, Dervs, and Sins with it will be stupid... Lets not even begin to think of major skill changes effecting this... I'm not even sure why i bother to argue with people who refuse to see that their lazy nature won't change a thing. Pretty damned sure any dev reading this wouldn't think twice about it. Guess I'm bowing out on this topic as its never going to happen. That and arguing with a fool is making me feel a fool myself